Introduction to Our Blog

Welcome to the Grant DNA Project blog, an extension of our Grant DNA Project website.  The primary purpose of including a blog link from the website is to allow the co-administrators the opportunity to discuss in greater detail thoughts or answer questions regarding test results found in our DNA project.  You might say, the blogs are for the benefit of participants new to DNA genealogy who may  need additional help in understanding this new technology.  It is easier to discuss it in this format than to change the website.

One would think that we could incorporate the blog into the website to appear seemless to the reader.  However, it is a challenge to the webmaster to incorporate our blog site into, the free host for our Grant DNA Project website.

Below are the blogs posted to date.  You can also narrow your search by clicking on one of the categories listed under the Categories heading located to the right.  There, you will see all the blogs posted to date in that category.  You can also see the Recent Blogs posted and a list of some, if not all, blogs submitted by Author.

You may not agree with everything posted, but we hope you will read the posts in the spirit for which they were intended.  If you have a different opinion, please be respectful of the writer and polite when responding directly through the kit number and email address.  Opposing views with supporting facts will be added as a separate post.  Thanks.

We hope you enjoy our blog site!

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Daughters of the American Revolution Accepting DNA Evidence – October 5, 2013

The following link was posted to the ISOGG Administrator’s email list by Katherine Borges that some of you may find of interest.  Without going into the details, the DAR will begin accepting some Y-DNA evidence in support of new member applications and supplemental applications beginning January 1, 2014.  There are limitations.


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New E1b Project Started – July 28, 2013

T A Caulley and Ross Kilpatrick have recently started a new project specific to FTDNA participants who have an E1b Haplotype from, or suspected to be from, Scotland.  If you are a E1b member, you can join the group by clicking on the following link:

Haplogroup E1b

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Why Should You Upgrade?

I borrowed the following from Emily Aulicino, the administrator of the Talley/Tolley Project:

We really need everyone to have a minimum of 37 markers and it’s best to have at least 67 markers if 111 is impossible. 

Why should you upgrade?

  • If you have only tested at a 12 or 25 marker your matches are not within genealogical time, but with an upgrade they could be.  We don’t know until you upgrade
  • By upgrading you eliminate those matches who aren’t as close to you as they would be with less markers.  This puts you closer in time to your matches and means you have a more recent common ancestor.
  • If your group has a lot of differences among you, upgrading could put you closer together or eliminate those who aren’t closely related.  This can help you focus on lineages that are more closely related to you.
  • If you match a lot of people (with or without the Grant surname) you can determine if some of them in this larger group are more closely related to you than the whole group is.  That is, if you upgrade to a 67 or 111 test, you may find that you have a particular mutation that matches only a couple of others in the larger group.  This means you who have this mutation are more closely related and have a common ancestor with each other.  This doesn’t mean you aren’t a member of the larger group, however and you do have a common ancestor with the whole group.  It is just that the common ancestor with the larger group is farther back than the one you would have with others who have your particular mutation.
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Code of Ethics Standards – June 4, 2013

The following information is from the ISOGG (international Society of Genetic Genealogist) Yahoo DNA Project Administrators Forum Group.  Our project, and hopefully all projects, adhere to the standards referred to in the article.

DNA Project Administrators Forum Group

Digest #3380 1a

Admin Guidelines -> WAS: Re: Tilting by “katherine_hope_borges” katherine_hope_borges

Admin Guidelines -> WAS: Re: Tilting

Sun Jun 2, 2013 7:52 am (PDT) . Posted by:

“katherine_hope_borges” katherine_hope_borges

Hi Debbie,

ISOGG has a (dormant) ‘Guidelines Committee’ and this is the page we came up with several years ago for project admins:

You are welcome to move it into the wiki pages.

Kind regards,

— In, “Debbie Kennett” <debbiekennett@…> wrote:
<SNIP> I would like to see ISOGG lead the way by providing something
> like a Code of Ethics for genetic genealogists and for project
> administrators, perhaps developing the work of the Genealogical Standards
> and Guidelines of the National Genealogical Society:
> or following the example of the Association of Professional Genealogists:
> I would also like to see us provide some best practice guidelines for
> project administrators.
> I see some testees, and sadly some project administrators, who have little
> regard for the privacy of other testees. I’ve come across several people now
> who have withdrawn from projects because of the way they have been treated
> by project admins.
> Perhaps while you’re all together in Burbank you can discuss some of these
> issues and see if there is a way forward.
> Best wishes
> Debbie


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The Grants of Burnside – April 10, 2013

The following was sent to me by n0n-partipants of the Grant DNA Project.  If you would like more inforamtion, I will forward your request to the author so they might correspond with you.

“I was thrilled to get the following photos sent to me by Aleck Swinburn and he has very kindly allowed me to share them with you good people of Robert Grant’s brother, Alexander Grant.

He as I may have mentioned was an early pioneer arriving in NZ in 1842. Aleck informed me that he was amongst Captain Kettle’s survey party to first survey the Manawatu River and Gorge before walking back through the Wairarapa over the Rimutakas down the Hutt River to Petone.

Evidently, and you may be able to help Aleck on this score, as to where he may be able to track down some papers Alexander Grant wrote, notifying to those in Scotland on the merits of settling in the Wairarapa. Alexander Grant farmed up in Burnside, Hawkes Bay and this was continued after his death in 1893 till one of the two sons, returned from completing his law degree at St Andrews in Scotland, demanding the farm be sold and split up.

John Grant the lawyer, set up a practice in Devonport, Auckland while his brother Dugald then farmed in Hastings before retiring to Bluff Hill, Napier. Dugald had one daughter who passed away in 1953. She also had only one daughter Pauline, who married Max Swinburn(95). There is a lovely article about Max Swinburn if you google his name in down at Wanaka appearing in the Otago Daily Times where he was offered a trip in one of those warbird aircraft. Aleck’s father served in the same Battalion as Ray Falloon, the 19th, being one of the fortunate numbers who came through Crete (Mentioned In Dispatches, twice wounded), then El Alamein,etc and after a Furlough in NZ returned to finish the job in Italy. Remarkable service and good to know he is in the good care of Aleck and his wife Heather. Alison Price, Aleck’s sister, is teaching music down in the South Island.

Aleck remembers watching either you Belinda, or your sister Jenny playing the piano at Napier Central School for assembly when I think both Bob and Joye were teaching there.

The inserts show John Grant, the next quite clearly taken in Edinburgh of Alexander Grant, the family register and finally Dugald Grant, standing. Wonderful photographs and a privilege to view.

Aleck would be delighted to meet any of the Clan should they be passing through Waipukurau. He lives at Tourere Station. He has two children Michael and a daughter Susanna.”


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Clan Grant Canada Website – February 16, 2013

Penny Grant has created a website specific to Canadian-related genealogy history.  If you have ancestors that take you back to Canadian roots, you my find the website useful to your research.  Click on the link below:

Clan Grant Canada

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Understanding Geno 2.0 – January 28, 2013

The following information was prepared by Emily Aulicino, the administrator of a number of Surname DNA Projects. She gave me permission to publish her message to the Talley/Tally/Tolley project, to which I monitor (my g-grandmother was a Talley).

PLEASE understand that it is for ancient genealogy.  You won’t be able (at this time) to contact matches and those matches could be 1,000 years or so ago.  More than that, you are helping the genetic community bring ancient lines down to a more genealogical timeframe.   We don’t want to give false hope nor mislead.

What is this and why is it important?  He’s the short of it….

First, the Haplogroup is your twig on the World Family Tree (Phylogenetic Tree)…every species has one (plants and animals).

Second, a special marker called a Single Nucleotide Polymorphism (SNP; pronounced SNiP) defines a haplogroup.  New SNPs are being discovered all the time and if a group of people test positive (you can only test positive or negative for this marker) then a new twig on the world family tree is established.

Geno 2.0 is the National Geographic’s latest deep ancestry test.  Many of you remember the previous one where they did 12 Y-markers and the lowest level of the mitochondrial test, thus getting information about our ancient migration patterns for humans using the all-male lines of your pedigree chart and the all-female lines.  This is much, much bigger and tests autosomal markers (all those other markers on all lines in your pedigree chart, basically.)

Geno 2.0 for men gives you a much more detailed haplogroup.  Remember the haplogroups are alternating letters and numbers such as R1b or I2b (both in our project).  Well, those lines of letters and numbers have gotten rather large so the genetic community is using the first letter and then the name of the last SNP (called terminal SNP) for which you test positive.  Through this test we get haplogroups more close in time to our genealogy.  At some point National Genographic is predicting that we could have haplogroups within 1,000 to 2,000 years of our genealogy paper trail and start degisnating smaller areas where our haplogroup is concentrated (i.e, Germany rather than Western Europe)  Granted, that is still a bit far out, but this test can still help us greatly.

At $199 a test, most of you may not be willing to test; however, not all of you have to.

Here’s the beauty of it….

If a group matches closely and one person tests Geno 2.0, then the rest (or whomever wishes) only needs to spend $29 to get the terminal SNP checked.  That is the cost of one SNP test.  If the person tests positive for that SNP then you know that you match the same haplogroup of the person who paid $199.  Matching to the terminal SNP gives you assurance that you do match people in the group.

WHY would I say that?  Don’t we already match?

Well, yes, but….

There is such a thing called CONVERGENCE.  This mean by accident (given the sheer numbers of people) the marker results that you already have could have by coincidence resulted in the same set of numbers (see that list of numbers for any tester in the project) as others.  A SNP test makes it 100%.

I don’t say this to scare you.  It is an odd situation that does occur.

However, another nice thing coming from all this is the groups that seem to be all over the place.  Group 04 and 6, for example.  There’s more than the average mutations here and if someone would do the Geno 2.0 test and the rest would get the Terminal SNP done, you could be very assured that all who match on the terminal SNP are related to a common ancestor.  Again, it won’t tell us who that ancestor is or when and where he lived.  BUT, over time when we keep finding more and more SNPs we could discover that some of the testers in a group match each other by testing positive for a certain SNP where the others don’t.  SNPs can mutate (change) at any time, just like our other markers.

Back to today and why I’m writing:

XXXXX’s test.  He’s in Group 02, so no one in Group 02 needs to take the Geno 2.0 test, but of course you could if you wish.  BUT, if you want to be sure your terminal SNP is the same as Burneys, you need to order a SNP test, but not yet.

XXXXX has tested positive for all these SNPs in Haplogroup I

Z77+ Z186+ Z161+ V9+ V205+ V189+ V186+ P223+ P222+ P221+ P220+ P219+ P217+ P216+ P215+ P214+ P19+ P187+ P166+ P160+ P159+ P158+ P151+ P148+ P146+ P145+ P141+ P14+ P138+ P136+ P135+ P130+ P127+ P126+ P124+ P123+ M94+ M89+ M42+ M294+ M223+ M168+ M139+ L800+ L68+ L59+ L578+ L566+ L498+ L470+ L468+ L460+ L41+ L403+ L37+ L350+ L35+ L34+ L16+ L15+ L132+ CTS9183+ CTS616+

XXXXX is an I-M223 for his Haplogroup. Notice that isn’t the first nor the last SNP.  The Y-Tree needs adjusting.

SO…I am only telling you all this to get you informed.  I do NOT want you to order a SNP test at this time. Wait until the Y-tree is updated and FTDNA prepares for testing all these SNPs for individuals.  By then there could be more twigs for this branch or any other.  I’ll let you know when.


XXXXX has tested the Geno 2.0.  Has anyone else in our group?

He now has the current terminal SNP for his Group 02, so others in Group 02 do not have to test Geno 2.0, but can if they wish.

To my knowledge no one else in other groups have done the Geno 2.0 test.  Or have you?

Do NOT order a SNP test yet to compare yourself with someone who has done the Geno 2.0 test.  It’s a bit early in the game.

ALSO, some Haplogroup Project managers could ask you to order a SNP.  This is a different situation.  They seek new SNPs and when they discover one, they ask others who are very likely to match this new SNP to test.  The reason for this is that they must have so many people with the newly found SNP in order to get the SNP on the haplogroup tree.  The SNPs I’m talking about with Geno 2.0 are already on the tree.  SO, if you don’t mind spending the $29 for the SNP test for the Haplogroup administrators request, it would help the genetic world and genetic genealogists get a new twig on the world’s tree.

Genetic Genealogy is an exciting new field that is moving very quickly.  We should all be very proud to have a part in it.

Thank you for reading all this and trying to understand.

Best wishes,
Group 01.  Emily10; Don9; Guy8; John7; Mary Ellen6; Lethe Talley5; William4; Peyton3; Abraham2; John1

If you do not hear from me in a timely manner, just write again…I was buried in email.  LOL
Northwest Regional Coordinator and Speaker for ISOGG (
Administrator for thirteen FTDNA DNA Projects

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